Ellis Ludwig-Leone (San Fermin)

I am joined by Ellis Ludwig-Leone, composer and member of the band San Fermin. We talk about his new album "False We Hope", as well as get into his years playing competitive basketball, falling out of love with the Boston Celtics, and his evolving fandom of the NBA. We also takes a stab a Build-a-Band, creating a band out of NBA players.

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